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Bush Says Spy Work Helped Stop 2002 Attack By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Under fire for eavesdropping on Americans, President Bush said Thursday that spy work stretching from the U.S. to Asia helped thwart terrorists plotting to use shoe bombs to hijack an airliner and crash it into the tallest skyscraper on the West Coast.
"It took the combined efforts of several countries to break up this plot," Bush said. "By working together we stopped a catastrophic attack on our homeland."
Some information about the foiled attack was disclosed last year, but Bush offered more details to highlight international cooperation in fighting terrorists. He did not say whether information about the West Coast plot was collected by his administration's program to monitor — without court warrants — some calls and e-mails between people overseas and in the U.S. when links to terrorism are suspected.
The White House said that issue was not the point of the speech, but the president and his advisers have been vigorously defending the legality of the program, which has been questioned by both Democratic and Republican lawmakers.
That's good, b/c this little story doesn't prove that spying on citizens is Constitutional, or for that matter, useful.
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After weeks of insisting that divulging details of the monitoring program would hinder intelligence gathering, the White House relented Wednesday and began briefing some additional lawmakers.
Meanwhile, the president's monthlong campaign to convince Americans the government's eavesdropping program is essential to the war on terrorism appears to be making an impact.
In a new AP-Ipsos poll, 48 percent now support wiretapping without a warrant in cases of suspected communications with terrorists, up from 42 percent last month. Half say the administration should have to get a warrant, down from 56 percent. Men in particular have come around to Bush's view over the last month, the poll suggested.
Impressionable morons!
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On Capitol Hill Thursday, four Senate Republican holdouts reached agreement with the White House on minor changes in the Patriot Act, hoping to clear the way for renewal of anti-terror legislation that Bush says is essential in the fight against terrorists.
In his speech, at the National Guard Memorial Building, Bush said Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the reputed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, began planning the West Coast operation in October 2001. One of Mohammed's key planners was a man known as Hambali, the alleged operations chief of the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah, which is affiliated with al-Qaida.
"Rather than use Arab hijackers as he had on Sept. 11, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed sought out young men from Southeast Asia — whom he believed would not arouse as much suspicion," Bush said.
In Los Angeles, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa complained he first learned of Bush's remarks while watching TV.
"I'm amazed that the president would make this on national TV and not inform us of these details through the appropriate channels," said the mayor, a Democrat.
That attack was sooooo eminent, that they forgot to tell the Mayor.
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Bush press secretary Scott McClellan said that the White House did reach out before the speech to officials in California and that there was appreciation for the notification.
As the plot was described, the hijackers were to use shoe bombs to blow open the cockpit door of a commercial jetliner, take control of the plane and crash it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles, a 73-story building since renamed the US Bank Tower. In his remarks, Bush inadvertently referred to the site as "Liberty Tower."
The president said the plot was derailed when a Southeast Asian nation arrested a key al-Qaida operative. Bush did not name the country or the operative.
Frances Fragos Townsend, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, said Mohammed, working with Hambali in Asia, recruited four members of the terrorist cell and trained its leader in how to use shoe bombs.
Townsend said it was not clear whether there was any connection between the West Coast plot and shoe bomber Richard Reid, who tried to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight in December 2001. After that, the Transportation Security Administration began asking passengers to take off their shoes for inspection.
The Sept. 11 attacks originally were planned to include both the East and West coasts. "It was bin Laden who decided that it should just focus on the East Coast, and that the West Coast should be held in abeyance ... as a follow-on attack," Townsend said. "It's our understanding now that it was too difficult to get enough operatives for both the East and West Coast plots at the same time."
She said all four of the West Coast planners went to Afghanistan in October 2001 and met with Osama bin Laden.
Townsend said all four members of the cell have been apprehended. She declined to disclose their names or say where they were being held. She also would not identify the two South Asia and two Southeast Asian nations that helped foil the attack.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Bush's speech failed to lay out a comprehensive strategy to fight terrorists.
"As is too often the case with this president, the rhetoric does not match the reality," Reid said. "The fact is this White House has committed a series of national security mistakes that have made America less secure."
Long before the War on Terrorism, we managed to stop an attack on the LA airport. We didn't even have to tap phones sans warrants.
How come we can always stop attacks on the West Coast, but not the East? Must be because CTU is in Los Angeles.
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Hmmm, Bushs ratings are struggling, and the Patronizing Act was up again wasn't it? So he comes out with this. Very suspicious. He sure likes to try and keep you Americans living in fear
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if you buy this "averted attack" story, shoot me a PM...i've got a bridge to sell you.
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if you buy this "averted attack" story, shoot me a PM...i've got a bridge to sell you.
I believe it, but I question the timing of the annoucement. This would be a bigger lie than WMD in Iraq. (They did find some, from the 80's though.)I don't believe that the PATRIOT Act or domestic spying was responsible for stopping it though.
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Zephyr wrote:
Hmmm, Bushs ratings are struggling, and the Patronizing Act was up again wasn't it? So he comes out with this. Very suspicious. He sure likes to try and keep you Americans living in fear
My thoughts exactly. What is ashame now is that if this is true or any other stories he comes out with, I will never believe him. It really is a case of the boy who cried wolf too many times. But this feels like a story he just pulled out of his ass. What bullshit.
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i find it interesting the media didnt report that the "young man" from southeast asia is actually an engineer from Malaysia, who joined Al Qaeda in 1999 and then surrendered himself in 2002 back here when he didnt agree with the whole 9-11 plan...
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Zephyr wrote:
Hmmm, Bushs ratings are struggling, and the Patronizing Act was up again wasn't it? So he comes out with this. Very suspicious. He sure likes to try and keep you Americans living in fear
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kiddo wrote:
if you buy this "averted attack" story, shoot me a PM...i've got a bridge to sell you.
no shit, after the WMD fiasco how can anyone believe what Bush says regarding terrorism. It's almost comical how he uses this stuff to further his agenda.
you really have to be slow to trust him anymore. Maybe tomorrow he'll find some Jesus cartoons to get everyone excited about.
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broken_iris wrote:
kiddo wrote:
if you buy this "averted attack" story, shoot me a PM...i've got a bridge to sell you.
I believe it, but I question the timing of the annoucement. This would be a bigger lie than WMD in Iraq. (They did find some, from the 80's though.)I don't believe that the PATRIOT Act or domestic spying was responsible for stopping it though.
hold on a second here. How in the hell could this be bigger than WMD lie? We have spent billions, tens of thousands have died to protect us from a non existent threat. This is just a little white lie compared to the WMD whopper he told.
seriously, how the hell can you believe anything he says. The guy has never admitted he was wrong about anything, including the WMDs. I just hope history will be more truthful than he is.
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if you buy this "averted attack" story, shoot me a PM...i've got a bridge to sell you.
I believe it, but I question the timing of the annoucement. This would be a bigger lie than WMD in Iraq. (They did find some, from the 80's though.)I don't believe that the PATRIOT Act or domestic spying was responsible for stopping it though.
hold on a second here. How in the hell could this be bigger than WMD lie? We have spent billions, tens of thousands have died to protect us from a non existent threat. This is just a little white lie compared to the WMD whopper he told.
seriously, how the hell can you believe anything he says. The guy has never admitted he was wrong about anything, including the WMDs. I just hope history will be more truthful than he is.
He did find WMDs. Several dozen chemical shells, but obviously they were expecting more and belived they were there. In this case, it could be completely fabricated instead of massively exaggerated.
And I think he did say he was wrong about the WMD programs... a bit late though.
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broken_iris wrote:
gogol wrote:
broken_iris wrote:
kiddo wrote:
if you buy this "averted attack" story, shoot me a PM...i've got a bridge to sell you.
I believe it, but I question the timing of the annoucement. This would be a bigger lie than WMD in Iraq. (They did find some, from the 80's though.)I don't believe that the PATRIOT Act or domestic spying was responsible for stopping it though.
hold on a second here. How in the hell could this be bigger than WMD lie? We have spent billions, tens of thousands have died to protect us from a non existent threat. This is just a little white lie compared to the WMD whopper he told.
seriously, how the hell can you believe anything he says. The guy has never admitted he was wrong about anything, including the WMDs. I just hope history will be more truthful than he is.
He did find WMDs. Several dozen chemical shells, but obviously they were expecting more and belived they were there. In this case, it could be completely fabricated instead of massively exaggerated.
And I think he did say he was wrong about the WMD programs... a bit late though.
No, he's never said he was wrong, about anything and especially WMDs. He has said there was bad intelligence but that's not the same as admitting you were wrong about something
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fakeplasticdreams wrote:
i find it interesting the media didnt report that the "young man" from southeast asia is actually an engineer from Malaysia, who joined Al Qaeda in 1999 and then surrendered himself in 2002 back here when he didnt agree with the whole 9-11 plan...
There was a reference to him in the paper today, and they did indeed include this useful tidbit. So at least some news outlets are mentioning this.
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