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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:11 am 
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Hi All,

I found the following on my little brother's myspace account blog....before I freak out on him, would you all be so kind as to read and give me your thoughts on all of this? He's 17 years old, and I thought a lot smarter than this, but what do I know. Thanks.

Racist What?


GET OVER IT

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "Nigger", "Kike", "Towelhead", "Sand-Nigger", "Dune Coon", "Camel Jockey", "Beaner" or "Chink" you call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You say that you want to make a change in this country.
How? By protesting everything that we believe in? By trying to change everything that has made this country run fine for centuries?

You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Cinco de Mayo
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have BET.

If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.

If we had white history month, we'd be racists.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You enjoy the thought of Driver's Licenses for illegals.
We enjoy the thought of people obeying the laws of the land in which they reside. No negotiations.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

You call each other "niggas", and in doing that you're saying its okay that it doesnt offend you, but when we say it...its racist.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

You can have Hispanic clubs and Africans American clubs but we couldnt even think of starting a white club without there being controversy

I am white.
I am proud.
I am an American.

But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

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He makes some good points.

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He has some alright points, but overall he is misguided. By buying into the same type of shit that he hates, he's just as bad as people who say that blacks hating whites is "reverse racism." This is an entirely reactionary stance and is not very well thought out. Sure he's young, but it's a stupid viewpoint.

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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
He makes some good points.


... sparsed out amongst the ignorant racist ones.

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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
He makes some good points.


... sparsed out amongst the ignorant racist ones.


I don't think he sounds racist at all... Nowhere does he even imply that minorities are lesser than white people. The only thing he's ripping on is political correctness.


From m-w.com:
Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race


Is that implied by anything he wrote? Not at all. Perhaps it's a limited view of the situation, but not racist.

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B wrote:
$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
He makes some good points.


... sparsed out amongst the ignorant racist ones.


"Sparsed"?

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 Post subject: Re: Racism Help
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:33 am 
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GET OVER IT

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "Nigger", "Kike", "Towelhead", "Sand-Nigger", "Dune Coon", "Camel Jockey", "Beaner" or "Chink" you call me a racist.


Fair enough, minorities shouldn't use racist terms any more than whites should. I don't know if "The Man" qualifies.

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You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,


Who says that?

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so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?


Assuming that no white people living in any ghettos, and no minorities people live in affluent suburbs, modern criminology has dedicated about 15 theories to answer this question. It's probably a little piece of each. Let's just say, it has to do with money.

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You say that you want to make a change in this country.
How? By protesting everything that we believe in? By trying to change everything that has made this country run fine for centuries?


I'm not really sure what we're striking out against here. The March on Selma? The Emancipation Proclamation?

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You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Cinco de Mayo
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi


OK, well ... other than MLK Day, none of these get much press in the US. I suppose if you liked segregation and the holocaust, it's tough to make a case for MLK Day or Yom Hashoah, but fuck you, we all get the day off. Seven of 50 states have Cesar Chavez Day, hardly a milestone. Yeah, Mexicans have Cinco de Mayo, much like the US has the Fourth of July. Muslims have Ma'uled Al-Nabi like Christians have Christmas. The only difference is we don't get days off for Muslim and/or Mexican holidays.

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You have BET.

If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.

If we had white history month, we'd be racists.


We have all these things. They're called TV, days, and months. These things exist b/c every day in the US, at least until very recent history, has honored whites.

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In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.


Maybe not if the rights of white Americans were being tromped upon by their black leaders. Maybe you can try this when Barrack Obama is President and he won't let white people drink out of his water fountain.

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You enjoy the thought of Driver's Licenses for illegals.
We enjoy the thought of people obeying the laws of the land in which they reside. No negotiations.


I don't see anyone enjoying this.

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You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.


I agree, we should be allowed to gather together under the banner of a common white struggle. :arrow:

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You call each other "niggas", and in doing that you're saying its okay that it doesnt offend you, but when we say it...its racist.


That's right, bitch! Go read that thread about the teacher calling his student a nigger.

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You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.


Whites do all those things. Actually, we call a policeman a racist for beating up minorities who are NOT posing a threat to society. If they beat up or shoot someone that IS posing a threat, we may call that excessive force.

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You can have Hispanic clubs and Africans American clubs but we couldnt even think of starting a white club without there being controversy


That's largely because the white clubs we've seen thus far all call for the elimination of other races.

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I am white.


Obviously.

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I am proud.


... of your pretty piece of prose?

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I am an American.


Sadly.

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But, you call me a racist.


I do.

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Why is it that only whites can be racists?


I'm fairly certain anyone can be a racist.

I was wrong Sun Devil. He had A good point. It was all downhill from there.

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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
From m-w.com:
Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race


Is that implied by anything he wrote? Not at all. Perhaps it's a limited view of the situation, but not racist.


Yes, in his assumptions that minorities are the cause of dangerous neighborhoods, that they have no right to protest, to honor MLK Day, the holidays of their homeland, nor the rebrance of the holocaust, that BET and Black History Month are undeserved in a world where African-American culture has zero representation anywhere else, his obvious depression over not being able to call black people niggers, and his stereotypical and generalizing statements that minorities are responsible for all robbery, carjacking, shooting, drug deals, and/or gang activities that victimize whites.

Other than that ... no, it's not implied anywhere.

By the way, your downfall was the use of the word "implied." There's relatively little stated overtly.

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 Post subject: Re: Racism Help
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I was wrong Sun Devil. He had A good point. It was all downhill from there.


I'm not saying he said anything that should make anybody totally reconsider their worldview. And nothing in there is incredibly original.

However, it is clear that if caucasians get some privileges that minorities have, everybody screams "racism." I remember, for example, how people got really upset when someone offered a $50 "white only" scholarship. Now, I don't think a white-only scholarship is necessary by any means (or that minority-related scholarships are unneccesary), but it is simply ironic that so many people would get so bent out of shape over it.

The point that I would agree with is that "racist" has come to include all kinds of practices and perspectives that, in reality, are not racist. (Of course, he didn't explicitly make this point, but that seems to be what he's trying to say)

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 Post subject: Re: Racism Help
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prayforpeace wrote:
You have BET.


every station is WMET

prayforpeace wrote:
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.


racist is a harsh word lets try ethnocentrist, oh wait we already are..next

prayforpeace wrote:
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.


again thats everyday in america

prayforpeace wrote:
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.


yeah...ditto ditto ditto

you are brave to post this crap, girl. Hopefully he is just finding himself :? and he will grow out of it. do you know who is feeding him this propaganda?


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B wrote:

Yes, in his assumptions that minorities are the cause of dangerous neighborhoods,


I think what he's trying to say is that whites aren't the perpetrators of the majority of acts of violence against minorities, but I might be wrong.

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that they have no right to protest, to honor MLK Day, the holidays of their homeland, nor the rebrance of the holocaust,


I think what he's trying to say is that whites should be allowed that same privilege without being called "racist."

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that BET and Black History Month are undeserved in a world where African-American culture has zero representation anywhere else,

Again, I don't think he's saying they're undeserved. Just suggesting that whites getting that same privilege would be deemed "racist."

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his obvious depression over not being able to call black people niggers,

Actually, he was complaining about white people being called Cracker, Honky, etc.

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and his stereotypical and generalizing statements that minorities are responsible for all robbery, carjacking, shooting, drug deals, and/or gang activities that victimize whites.

I don't think he suggested that minorities are responsible for all the crime. He explicitly states that they're responsible for some crime against whites, but until he says or implies that they are more likely to commit crimes against whites because of their race, it's not racist.

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Everything you said was "I think he's trying to say ..."

He didn't try very hard, did he? He just scribbled down the first racist thought he had.

Being "politically correct" isn't just about not offending people, it's about thinking a few seconds and saying what is more representative as well.

An example: Are minority neighborhoods more dangerous than white neighborhoods? More often than not, yes. Why is that? Well, there are whole strings of college courses that try to answer that questions, but that answer IS NOT because black people live there.

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An example: Are minority neighborhoods more dangerous than white neighborhoods? More often than not, yes. Why is that? Well, there are whole strings of college courses that try to answer that questions, but that answer IS NOT because black people live there.


This is exactly why people need to be careful when labeling a statement as "racist".

Racist:
Minority neighborhoods are more dangerous because minorities live there.

Not Racist:
Minority neighborhoods are more dangerous because of factors not related to race, such as economic circumstances.

Maybe Racist, Maybe Not:
Minority neighborhoods are more dangerous.

You're exactly correct that people should choose their words carefully when talking about sensitive topics like this, but unless there's enough information, you can't immediately lable vague statements in a conclusive manner. Obviously, he could have thought out what he said more thoroughly, but what do you expect from a 17 year old?

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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
Obviously, he could have thought out what he said more thoroughly, but what do you expect from a 17 year old?


I suspect he cut and paste from someone old enough to know better.

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B wrote:
$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
Obviously, he could have thought out what he said more thoroughly, but what do you expect from a 17 year old?


I suspect he cut and paste from someone old enough to know better.


Sadly, you're probably right. I swear I've read it before.

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prayforpeace, find out what he's feeling that made this appeal to him. I doubt he agrees with much of it. At 17, I'm sure he doesn't fully understand the implications behind the Million Man March, the work of Cesar Chavez Day, Yom Hashoah, and/or Ma'uled Al-Nabi.

He's probably afraid he won't get into college because of some kind of quota.

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From what I can tell, what your brother posted seems more reactionary than it does balls out racist.

I do think, however, that the longer he tends to react that way the more likely he is to start really believing those things.

Just talk to him. Get him centered. He'll be fine.

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I don't know what Yom Hashoah is. :oops:

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everybody knows that white players suffer a lot of racism in NBA. When they see that you arent black, they automatically think that you are inferior player. Orthodox jews are also racist beliveing that they are the "choosen people", a better people and all the gentiles (non-jews) are going straight to hell.

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