i got this email at work. i want to email this person back and explain that i dont subscribe to this way of thinking, should i do that or just drop it? I guess for me i want to email this person back because i dont want them to get me confused with the rest of the sheep in the office? Anyway, i am running on very littel sleep, so i want to ba tactful and i dont want to over react, but this email pisses me off.
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Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider this:
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.
Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.
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I'd say it's probably against some company email policy and you could get them done for abuse of email. I'd write back to the person and say it was a bit over the top, that I don't agree with the sentiment, and I'd appreciate not receiving anything like this from you in the future
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You could provide similar sayings for Christianity or some other religion.
Maybe something like this:
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Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Surely one could find some quote in the Bible that's just as bad as this.
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Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
First Commandment wrote:
Thou Shalt Not Have Any Gods Before Me
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Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
First Amendment wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....
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Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.
*link to previous Christian theocracies*
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I'm not thinking of good retorts for all of them, but there's a start.
i got this email at work. i want to email this person back and explain that i dont subscribe to this way of thinking, should i do that or just drop it? I guess for me i want to email this person back because i dont want them to get me confused with the rest of the sheep in the office? Anyway, i am running on very littel sleep, so i want to ba tactful and i dont want to over react, but this email pisses me off.
Quote:
Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider this:
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.
Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.
Well it does make sense up until the part about "one nation under God". The Christian god is loving and kind?? This person is definately blinded then. A devout muslim cannot fully be an American patriot, the same way a devout Christian cannot be patriotic living in many other countries. It is even hard for a non-Christian to be patriotic in Canada, where the national anthem states "God keep our land, glorious and free." As if "God" is the one that will keep Canada free.
Anyways, I would think that there is some sort of policy against writing these sorts of emails (especially in a gov't office). But, I wouldn't write back, because you just can't reason with religous wackos.
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jacktor wrote:
did i also mention, i work for the gov't, all i could think of is what a dumbass. But then again, i spend all day on a message board
I would totally make a stink of this and get this dumbass fired. It's one thing to send little "Jesus loves you" emails which are inappropriate, but this is full of mischaracterizations, bigotry, and lies, and the point of the email is to say that Muslims should not be allowed to be full citizens.
Fuck this person. Report it as high up as you can, and if action isn't taken, threaten to go higher. In a gov't job especially, this shit should not be tolerated.
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Take it directly to Human Resources. If Human Resources at your company are respectable at all, that person will be severly reprimanded and possible terminated. I work at a big corporation and if I sent that email, I am pretty sure I would be fired.
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Christ, this isn't about whether or not what the email says is TRUE (which half of it is complete distortions made by an ignorant Christian who thinks his/her shit doesn't stink). This is about a hateful, intolerant email being sent around an office, and a gov't office to boot.
I only wish it were this easy to get the original author fired for being such a moron.
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As usual, I'm with David. I'd first hit Reply All and let this guy know you're forwarding this to human resources so it can be dealt with properly to further embarass him before he's fired.
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Peeps wrote:
holy fuck
get a guy fired cause of this email?
and youre the same folks who said bush and co overreacted to post 9-11?
and to think youd like to turn him in for abusing his email privleges, while you post on RM during the day?
just reply back to him and say, youre sure your not the only who thought this was poor taste and let it be
My use of RM at work does not affect any of my co-workers.
And I'll fully admit that if I got an email that was equally inappropriate with which I agreed, I'd probably take less drastic measures, but shit, if somebody breaks a rule (and possibly violates a law) and they're a jackass who agrees with the contect of that email, why not take the opportunity to hit a homerun off that softball pitch?
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Certainly history will judge christianity as being comparatively tolerant.
Holy shit. Somebody please get this guy a history book. I don't think this post is even worthy of a response it is so ridiculous.
At least you didn't bring up Eric Rudolph, for that I'll give you credit .
This is the part in the debate where someone (hey it's you this time!) inevitably, despite all evidence and common sense to the contrary, insists that christianity is every bit as violent as islam.
The spanish inquisition ended 200 years ago, the crusades 700 years ago...got anything more recent than that? Or are you one of those...individuals... who equates nazism with christianity?
Might I also add that the above examples are in direct conflict with the teachings of jesus...it would be nice if we could find a similar conflict in islam.
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Man in Black wrote:
Might I also add that the above examples are in direct conflict with the teachings of jesus...it would be nice if we could find a similar conflict in islam.
So, Mohammed's teachings did not send a message of peace? If that's the case, can you link me to that?
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Green Habit wrote:
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Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Surely one could find some quote in the Bible that's just as bad as this.
Maybe something in the Old Testament, but when I read the Qur'an 4:34, I found it nearly identical to Ephesians 5:
22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Granted, that doesn't say beat (or scourge) your wife like the Qur'an does, but those verses have been used as justification for beating women ever since they were put to paper.
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