I think that this deserves it's own thread:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/b ... index.html

did you not see it in the other thread?

it kinda deserves it's own thread. Can we merge the 2?

I tend to agree with the writers, announcers, etc. I've heard on ESPN. This is just a full gathering of all the speculation that's previously been out there. Until real, undeniable evidence comes out, this doesn't change anything. People will still question Bonds. Supporters will still say it's hearsay.

uh, from what i read it looks like they have some undeniable evidence.

undeniable evidence to me is something like a needle that bonds used or his fungerprints on a pill bottle. do they have anything like this?

Come on, you have to be kidding with this. Are you telling me you don't think he did all the shit they were saying? You think all these different people made all these corroberating stories up?

Nothing would make me happier than all the jackasses simply shutting the fuck up about the damn story and letting it go and focusing on baseball. Nobody is convincing the other side with this bullshit and all it does is detract from the game. Congratulations, stfu. It's way fuckin old. Can we move on already? I, for one, am not at all impressed with the high horsing surrounding this issue. Move on...please.

yeah, sweep it under the rug, look the other way, makes sense.

How exactly is this taking away from the game? The game will be just fine with or without the bonds\roid chatter.

Wait, i found it!

Charles (Lake City, FL): I'm so tired of hearing about Barry Bonds and his alleged steriod use. Barry has been tested for years and has never shown up positive. All this is at this point is a chance for the media to try to bury a player it never liked. It's gotten to a point of being ridiculous. Just let it go!

and this one!

Corey McArthur (NYC): I think I speak for most fans when I say the following in reaction to the Bonds/steroids issue: I don't care!! Enough already. The fact is that steroids were not banned by the MLB at the time. If any of us were in the same position we probably would have made the same choice. Steroids are now banned and therefore anyone caught cheating should be held up to public ridicule, and they have earned it. Can't we let the past go and move on?

How does it take away from the game? How many non-Bonds related baseball posts have there been? This issue is very very old, and I think it was what killed ESPNs MLB board, though I didn't stick around to find out for sure because I got sick of the goddamn Bonds threads. This issue is so old that its been gone over enough that...I don't know...maybe we can move on. This book contains some evidence that wasn't given to the Grand Jury...why? Wasn't printed in the San Fran newspaper...why? It's reached the point where the consensus seems to be that Bonds "cheated," why can't we stop there...two years later!. You think the guy took roids...WE GET IT! Futher, no one's really arguing all that much. Can we just enjoy the fucking season without having this stupid fucking story dominate the sports news? Apparently not. It was getting old before old was getting old. Let it go.

*jig

I don't remember who said it on ESPN, but I agreed. The authors are San Fran newpaper writers. Why didn't they publish their initial findings in the paper? Why weren't they called to the trial? Did their "proof" not pass the test of a newspaper or trial? I believe Bonds juiced. I just don't think this book really proves anything.

I think you are referring to what Bill Plaschke said on Around the Horn today.

barry bonds took steroids.

when he did, it wasn't against the rules of baseball.

i love the fact that this will never die; it gives 50-year-old white guys something to write about over and over.

So uh, those of you participating in the witch hunt...what do you want to happen?

And should we do an investigation of every MLB player in the last say...20 years as in-depth? Or just have this posterchild?

There really is nothing new here. the fact that the authors of the new book are from the SF Chronicle just makes me laugh.

1. The guy took steriods.

2. Steriods, although illegal, were not a banned substance by MLB at the time he took them.

3. Bonds was a great player before steriods and become even better with them.

4. The only debate left about him is after he retires. Do the Hall of Fame voters think the steriods should keep him out or not? Personally, I don't like Bonds, but he was a great player, even before the steriods.

5. Can we please stop with the daily bombardment of this story? I am sick of it. Someday, 20 years from now Bonds will admit he took steriods, just like Pete Rose finally admitted he bet on baseball, but until then, it is pointless to go on and on about this.