Post subject: Better That Kids Have NO Parents Than GAY Parents
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:26 pm
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Once again, I am forced to applaud the humanity of the Catholic Church.
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Catholic Charities of Boston to stop adoption services State law gives gays right to adopt Saturday, March 11, 2006 Steve LeBlanc Associated Press
Boston - The Boston Archdiocese's Catholic Charities said Friday that it would stop providing adoption services because of a state law allowing gays and lesbians to adopt children.
The social services arm of the Roman Catholic archdiocese, which has provided adoption services for the state for about two decades, said the law runs counter to church teachings on homosexuality.
"The world was very different when Charities began this ministry at the threshold of the 20th century," the Rev. J. Bryan Hehir, president of Catholic Charities, said in a joint statement with trustees Chairman Jeffrey Kaneb. "The world changed often, and we adapted the ministry to meet changing times and needs. At all times we sought to place the welfare of children at the heart of our work.
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"But now, we have encountered a dilemma we cannot resolve," the statement said.
Archbishop Sean O'Malley, who had sought an exemption from the law, said the church was faced with a choice between its faith and the state law.
"Sadly, we have come to a moment when Catholic Charities in the Archdiocese of Boston must withdraw from the work of adoptions in order to exercise the religious freedom that was the prompting for having begun adoptions many years ago," he said in a statement.
Gov. Mitt Romney said he planned to file a bill that would let religious organizations seek an exemption from the state's anti-discrimination laws to provide adoption services.
Lee Swislow, executive director of Gay and Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, said the archdiocese's decision was disappointing.
"All of the homes were good and loving homes and now, through the pressure of the bishops, Catholic Charities is being forced to get out of the business," she said. "There are no winners here. The children are the ones who suffer."
Eight members of Catholic Charities' board later stepped down to protest the bishops' stance. The 42-member board had voted unanimously in December to continue considering gay households for adoptions.
Hopefully the members of the board will start their own adoption program and tell the bishop to shove off.
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Sodomists can't possibly provide a stable home to a child. Better they end up in state care, end up in borstal and onto a life of crime. That's what Jesus would want.
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stuzzo wrote:
Sodomists can't possibly provide a stable home to a child. Better they end up in state care, end up in borstal and onto a life of crime. That's what Jesus would want.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure being gay makes you a pedophile automatically.
IT'S IN THE GENES PEOPLE!
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That's it b*tches. I have put up with your sh*t for long enough. You are all reported to the "Center for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives at the Department of Homeland Security"
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As usual the Catholic Church has its head (or something) up its ass.
This is the kind of stunning hypocracy that threatens the very fabric of time and space. OK, report me now.
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As usual the Catholic Church has its head (or something) up its ass. This is the kind of stunning hypocracy that threatens the very fabric of time and space. OK, report me now.
What is the hypocracy in the position of the Catholic Church?
Aren't laws meant to be good for society as a whole? Is gay marriage and adoption good for the whole of society?
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Quadrophenia wrote:
What is the hypocracy in the position of the Catholic Church?
You're right. This decision doesn't fit well into the definition of hypocrisy.
Quadrophenia wrote:
Aren't laws meant to be good for society as a whole? Is gay marriage and adoption good for the whole of society?
Yes.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
What is the hypocracy in the position of the Catholic Church?
Probably meant to refer to the tendency of any religious group to play moral king-of-the-hill while acting very selectively immoral when an issue swings to their blind side.
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Aren't laws meant to be good for society as a whole? Is gay marriage and adoption good for the whole of society?
Aren't actions immoral, unethical, or capable of being determined as running opposed to definable truth, regardless of legal status?
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Quadrophenia wrote:
Aren't laws meant to be good for society as a whole? Is gay marriage and adoption good for the whole of society?
I'll tell you what--I think I may disagree with this anti-discrimination law. If the Catholic Church wants to only offer their services to straight couples, then so be it. It still doesn't mean that they can't be criticized for making such a decision.
And I agree that there's no hypocrisy here--as I've said many times before, if anything, the Catholic Church is one of the most consistent organizations out there.
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Green Habit wrote:
Catholic Church is one of the most consistent organizations out there.
And it goes without saying that consistency says nothing of merit.
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Jammer91 wrote:
If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
What is the hypocracy in the position of the Catholic Church?
Probably meant to refer to the tendency of any religious group to play moral king-of-the-hill while acting very selectively immoral when an issue swings to their blind side.
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Aren't laws meant to be good for society as a whole? Is gay marriage and adoption good for the whole of society?
Aren't actions immoral, unethical, or capable of being determined as running opposed to definable truth, regardless of legal status?
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Is the Catholic Church acting in that way? What actions are immoral, unethical, etc.?
Green Habit wrote:
True, although you could argue that some of the church's consistencies are a positive. Obviously, this is not one of them.
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Green Habit wrote:
When no straight parents are available, what's wrong with gay parents?
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Jammer91 wrote:
If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
how is it that christians are not lining up outside abortion clinics and giving those women a real choice: "don't abort and we'll adopt your baby"?
why don't the abortion protesters ever ever ever do anything but tell the women they are going to hell? where is the "love thy neighbor" stuff? why don't christian adoption agencies get in with planned parenthood so that the desperate women can see the people who may adopt her child?
it just might actually work, but no one wants to really follow the teachings of jesus. they just want to be philistine judges and sing out hollow words.
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True, although you could argue that some of the church's consistencies are a positive. Obviously, this is not one of them.
Why is this not a positive consistency?
See the title of this thread. When no straight parents are available, what's wrong with gay parents?
Ok, so why isn't this consistent?
I will take the fire and state that I believe homosexuality is detrimental to society. That isn't to be misconstrued to mean that I really care what individuals do in their private lives - but I do think that, in the case of homosexuality, it is bad for society as a whole.
I will take the fire and state that I believe homosexuality is detrimental to society. That isn't to be misconstrued to mean that I really care what individuals do in their private lives - but I do think that, in the case of homosexuality, it is bad for society as a whole.
What hypocrisy? How is anyone being a hypocrite here?
kiddo wrote:
how is it that christians are not lining up outside abortion clinics and giving those women a real choice: "don't abort and we'll adopt your baby"?
Why is it the burden of Christians to line up outside of abortion clinics and give choices to the women there? Those women already have a profound decision in front of them - to kill or not kill their child.
Women that want to give up a baby do have choices after the baby is born. That is what adoption is for in the first place.
kiddo wrote:
why don't the abortion protesters ever ever ever do anything but tell the women they are going to hell?
Can you vouch for that being the only thing ever said by a protestor?
I protest abortion in my own way, but I'm not standing here telling someone they will go to hell. I believe what I believe, and if they want to inquire into what I believe, they can read for themselves or ask me. I'm guessing a lot of people approach it the same way I do.
kiddo wrote:
where is the "love thy neighbor" stuff? why don't christian adoption agencies get in with planned parenthood so that the desperate women can see the people who may adopt her child?
Is it not a form of love to want eternal salvation for someone? Is it not love for another human being that causes people to argue about the consequences of killing their own child?
As for Planned Parenthood, I personally have a problem dealing with a group whose history and philosphy is ultimately based on eugenics in the population.
kiddo wrote:
it just might actually work, but no one wants to really follow the teachings of jesus. they just want to be philistine judges and sing out hollow words.
How are the teachings of Jesus not being followed? How are people being "philistine judges" and saying "hollow words"? They obviously believe in the judgment of Christ in sending those people to Hell, as in the Bible. And anyone who believes Heaven and Hell actually exist is not merely uttering "hollow words".
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