Post subject: Missouri Encourages Unwanted Pregnancies and Abortions
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:40 am
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Posted on Thu, Mar. 16, 2006 Low-income women would be affected House OKs birth control funding ban By KIT WAGAR The Star’s Jefferson City correspondent
JEFFERSON CITY — The Missouri House voted Wednesday to ban state funding of contraceptives for low-income women and to prohibit state-funded programs from referring those women to other programs. Critics jumped on the proposal, saying it would lead to more abortions and more unwanted children on welfare.
But the proposal’s sponsor, Republican Rep. Susan Phillips of Kansas City, said contraceptive services were an inappropriate use of tax dollars. “If doctors want to give contraception privately or personally, they can,†Phillips said. “But we don’t need to pay for contraception with taxpayer funds.â€
The change was the most controversial amendment adopted during the second day of debate on next year’s state budget. The Republican majority also turned back several efforts to boost funding for health-care programs by trimming farm and agribusiness subsidies.
Phillips’ amendment did not save the state money. Instead, it imposed restrictions on how state agencies could spend $9.23 million earmarked for public-health programs, mainly for people who are poor but make too much money to qualify for Medicaid.
The Budget Committee had approved expenditures on screenings for breast and cervical cancer, sexually transmitted diseases, infertility treatments and contraception.
Phillips’ amendment eliminated infertility treatments and contraception, and substituted alternatives to abortion and prenatal care for the purpose of giving birth. It also prohibited spending on any treatment and referrals for any treatment not spelled out in the budget.
Rep. Bob Johnson, a Lee’s Summit Republican, offered an amendment that deleted infertility treatments, but reinstated contraceptives. Most of the money, he said, would go to county health departments serving women with no alternatives to obtain health care. “If we don’t allow for contraception for low-income women, we will have more unplanned pregnancies and more pregnancies ended by abortion,†Johnson said. “No one here wants more abortions.â€
He drew support from Rep. Rob Schaaf, a St. Joseph Republican and a family doctor. Schaaf said contraceptives were a basic part of medical care and should be covered.
Johnson’s proposal was defeated 100-53, with nearly all Republicans and a handful of Democrats voting against the change.
The House then took up Phillips’ amendment. Rep. Melba Curls, a Kansas City Democrat, asked how Republicans could vote to block access to contraceptives after last year’s dramatic cuts in Medicaid and other social services. “Not all the low-income women who will get pregnant will have abortions,†Curls said. “If you have the baby, you’re still low-income. And if you’re poor and you have a baby, who takes care of the baby? The state of Missouri. You’re setting up poor women once more not to have services.â€
Rep. Kate Meiners, a Kansas City Democrat and an abortion opponent, said Phillips intended her amendment to be a statement against abortion. But Meiners said she feared it would have the opposite effect by creating more unplanned pregnancies.
But Phillips said she was comfortable with the change because the group Missouri Right to Life and the Missouri Catholic Conference supported it. The House held a voice vote and the amendment appeared to fail. But supporters quickly called for a roll call to put each lawmaker on record supporting or opposing Missouri Right to Life. The amendment was approved 96-59.
The contraceptive services banned were an effort to jump-start a family-planning program that had been cut in 2003 because of the state’s severe budget crunch.
Rep. Rachel Storch, a St. Louis Democrat, pointed to a study that found the teenage birth rate in Missouri dropped 32 percent from 1991 to 2002. The drop was attributed to wider availability of contraceptives.
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Should they fund Viagra for people on welfare with taxes? If its not an elective medication, than they should pay for it, but if its elective, then why should the tax payer foot the bill?
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simple schoolboy wrote:
Should they fund Viagra for people on welfare with taxes? If its not an elective medication, than they should pay for it, but if its elective, then why should the tax payer foot the bill?
Because the tax payers are going to foot the bill for some consequence of their not footing the bill for this simple, and relatively VERY cheap alternative. As much as everyone who is for personal responsibilty don't want to admit it, the stupid mistakes of our neighbors DO affect us, whether it be in the cost of health care, or of police, or any of a million other ways.
Besides, the authors of this bill hate abortion and the bill may very well lead to more of it. That just shows how shallowly they thought this through.
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EDIT: I'm deferring to AS's response, which I like better.
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Well, I for one do not see how this bill is encouraging people to have irresponsible sex. But if you say so B.
It's not. But it is preventing them from having responsible sex.
No it's not. It's not preventing shit. Even the lowest of the lower class can afford to get birth control if they really want to fuck that bad. It's not that expensive. And it shouldn't be on my dollar PERIOD! You wanna fuck? Pay for it, just like me.
I don't see how anyone can condone people who need government assistance to obtain contraception in order to fuck, to fuck, anyway. Boggles my mind. These people can't "afford" contraception, but you're doing nothing more than giving them a licence to create unwanted, unplanned pregnancies.
Ah yes. Another grand band-aid in this awesome society we've got over here.
Well, I for one do not see how this bill is encouraging people to have irresponsible sex. But if you say so B.
It's not. But it is preventing them from having responsible sex.
No it's not. It's not preventing shit. Even the lowest of the lower class can afford to get birth control if they really want to fuck that bad. It's not that expensive. And it shouldn't be on my dollar PERIOD! You wanna fuck? Pay for it, just like me.
I don't see how anyone can condone people who need government assistance to obtain contraception in order to fuck, to fuck, anyway. Boggles my mind. These people can't "afford" contraception, but you're doing nothing more than giving them a licence to create unwanted, unplanned pregnancies.
Ah yes. Another grand band-aid in this awesome society we've got over here.
I just cant FUCKING believe you were in Africa? WTF? WOW? Iguess condoms cant prevent spreading disease? Do you really ever go back and read what you write? So sex can only be had for baby making? NO pleasure, boy I would hate to MRS. Littlewing
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Humans who cannot afford birth control pills still want to have sex? That is illogical.
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LittleWing wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Well, I for one do not see how this bill is encouraging people to have irresponsible sex. But if you say so B.
It's not. But it is preventing them from having responsible sex.
No it's not. It's not preventing shit. Even the lowest of the lower class can afford to get birth control if they really want to fuck that bad. It's not that expensive. And it shouldn't be on my dollar PERIOD! You wanna fuck? Pay for it, just like me.
I don't see how anyone can condone people who need government assistance to obtain contraception in order to fuck, to fuck, anyway. Boggles my mind. These people can't "afford" contraception, but you're doing nothing more than giving them a licence to create unwanted, unplanned pregnancies.
Ah yes. Another grand band-aid in this awesome society we've got over here.
Do you honestly believe laws like this one will force poor people to not have sex?? And I hate the way you make everyone on assistance sound like a degenerate. These people?? Just who the fuck are you??
Providing people with contraceptives is a hell of a lot cheaper than providing health care for more unplanned children. Period. This law is irrational and just plain stupid.
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LittleWing wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Well, I for one do not see how this bill is encouraging people to have irresponsible sex. But if you say so B.
It's not. But it is preventing them from having responsible sex.
No it's not. It's not preventing shit. Even the lowest of the lower class can afford to get birth control if they really want to fuck that bad. It's not that expensive. And it shouldn't be on my dollar PERIOD! You wanna fuck? Pay for it, just like me.
I don't see how anyone can condone people who need government assistance to obtain contraception in order to fuck, to fuck, anyway. Boggles my mind. These people can't "afford" contraception, but you're doing nothing more than giving them a licence to create unwanted, unplanned pregnancies.
Ah yes. Another grand band-aid in this awesome society we've got over here.
WTF is wrong with you? Contraception is NOT cheap. Condoms are expensive when you have to buy them. Birth control pills are more expensive, and requires expensive HARD TO GET appointments with a doctor. (Seriously. A GYN appointment schedules between 8 to 12 months out around here, unless you're preggo or have an emergency).
Jesus. Do you tell all the people over in Africa that they're too poor to raise their kids, so they should stop fucking? Aren't there programs over THERE, (um - funded by our tax dollars, btw) to provide sex education and contraception to help stop the spread of AIDS, etc? What's the difference? Other than the typical republican smoke screen : we pretend to do good over in other contries when it serves or interests, but when it comes to taking care of our own, it's immoral or we can't afford it.
Of all the pointless shit the government spends our money on, this seems like a...curious... place to draw the line...of course none of the state senators in Missouri are complaining about this.
There is, however, the age old lesson of what you get when you have to depend on the government for, well...anything.
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Man in Black wrote:
Of all the pointless shit the government spends our money on, this seems like a...curious... place to draw the line...of course none of the state senators in Missouri are complaining about this.
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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Well, I for one do not see how this bill is encouraging people to have irresponsible sex. But if you say so B.
It's not. But it is preventing them from having responsible sex.
No it's not. It's not preventing shit. Even the lowest of the lower class can afford to get birth control if they really want to fuck that bad. It's not that expensive. And it shouldn't be on my dollar PERIOD! You wanna fuck? Pay for it, just like me.
I don't see how anyone can condone people who need government assistance to obtain contraception in order to fuck, to fuck, anyway. Boggles my mind. These people can't "afford" contraception, but you're doing nothing more than giving them a licence to create unwanted, unplanned pregnancies.
Ah yes. Another grand band-aid in this awesome society we've got over here.
WTF is wrong with you? Contraception is NOT cheap. Condoms are expensive when you have to buy them. Birth control pills are more expensive, and requires expensive HARD TO GET appointments with a doctor. (Seriously. A GYN appointment schedules between 8 to 12 months out around here, unless you're preggo or have an emergency).
Jesus. Do you tell all the people over in Africa that they're too poor to raise their kids, so they should stop fucking? Aren't there programs over THERE, (um - funded by our tax dollars, btw) to provide sex education and contraception to help stop the spread of AIDS, etc? What's the difference? Other than the typical republican smoke screen : we pretend to do good over in other contries when it serves or interests, but when it comes to taking care of our own, it's immoral or we can't afford it.
Fucking Bullshit.
I dunno...it just seems to me like, if you can't afford the consequences or what you need to do something safely...don't do it, or do it at your own risk. Why should anyone else have to pay for other people's stupidity? Yes, condoms prevent the spread of diseases and all that. But you know what else does?
NOT HAVING SEX.
If you REALLY have to do it that bad, oral works...you may still get a disease, but there wouldn't be pregnancy, and if worse comes to worse... *gasp*... take matters "into your own hands."
Masturbating usually, for me at least, feels a hell of a lot better than sex because I know exactly what I like and how to do it, and I don't have bullshit cuddling and all that afterwards. Plus: no risk of disease or pregnancy.
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superklye wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Well, I for one do not see how this bill is encouraging people to have irresponsible sex. But if you say so B.
It's not. But it is preventing them from having responsible sex.
No it's not. It's not preventing shit. Even the lowest of the lower class can afford to get birth control if they really want to fuck that bad. It's not that expensive. And it shouldn't be on my dollar PERIOD! You wanna fuck? Pay for it, just like me.
I don't see how anyone can condone people who need government assistance to obtain contraception in order to fuck, to fuck, anyway. Boggles my mind. These people can't "afford" contraception, but you're doing nothing more than giving them a licence to create unwanted, unplanned pregnancies.
Ah yes. Another grand band-aid in this awesome society we've got over here.
WTF is wrong with you? Contraception is NOT cheap. Condoms are expensive when you have to buy them. Birth control pills are more expensive, and requires expensive HARD TO GET appointments with a doctor. (Seriously. A GYN appointment schedules between 8 to 12 months out around here, unless you're preggo or have an emergency).
Jesus. Do you tell all the people over in Africa that they're too poor to raise their kids, so they should stop fucking? Aren't there programs over THERE, (um - funded by our tax dollars, btw) to provide sex education and contraception to help stop the spread of AIDS, etc? What's the difference? Other than the typical republican smoke screen : we pretend to do good over in other contries when it serves or interests, but when it comes to taking care of our own, it's immoral or we can't afford it.
Fucking Bullshit.
I dunno...it just seems to me like, if you can't afford the consequences or what you need to do something safely...don't do it, or do it at your own risk. Why should anyone else have to pay for other people's stupidity? Yes, condoms prevent the spread of diseases and all that. But you know what else does?
NOT HAVING SEX.
If you REALLY have to do it that bad, oral works...you may still get a disease, but there wouldn't be pregnancy, and if worse comes to worse... *gasp*... take matters "into your own hands."
Masturbating usually, for me at least, feels a hell of a lot better than sex because I know exactly what I like and how to do it, and I don't have bullshit cuddling and all that afterwards. Plus: no risk of disease or pregnancy.
Boy, does THAT paragraph reveal an aweful lot.
People aren't going to stop having sex. It's insane to think that they will. It's an instinct. It's in the very nature of any species that exists on the planet. And how dare you expect that it people are going to suddenly adopt the mindset that they're too poor to have sex. Holy fuck.
Most people enjoy human contact. Masturbation sucks. I have a boyfriend who knows exactly what I like and how to do it, and doesn't consider hanging out in bed with me for a few hours 'bullshit'.
Sheesh. Maybe you're not an out of touch jerk. Maybe you just need to get laid already.
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