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http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/03/21/afghan-christian060321.html

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Canada concerned over Afghan facing death for rejecting Islam

Last Updated Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:37:37 EST
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Canada has joined the list of countries closely watching a court case in Afghanistan, where under Islamic law a man could be sentenced to death for rejecting Islam.

"Canada will continue to encourage the Afghan government to adhere to its human rights obligations," Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Pamela Greenwell told Reuters Tuesday.

Italy and Germany, two other Western countries with troops stationed in Afghanistan, have also started to express concern over the case amid calls that their troops be pulled out.

Abdul Rahman became a Christian 16 years ago while working in Germany, but he was charged with rejecting Islam only in February, when his family denounced him during a custody battle over his two children.

Rahman, 41, is now in jail in Afghanistan and faces the death penalty unless he agrees to convert back to the faith in which he was raised, said the judge at the Shariah court. (Shariah is the legal code of Islam, based on the Qu'ran.)

"We will invite him again [to renounce Christianity] because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance," trial judge Ansarullah Mawlazezadah told the BBC on Sunday. "We will ask him if he has changed his mind. If so, we will forgive him."

The accused man's mental state will also be taken into account before the court passes sentence, Mawlazezadah added.

Constitution may prevent president's intervention

About 99 per cent of the 28 million citizens of Afghanistan are Muslim, and conservative Muslims dominate the country's judicial system.

The nation's constitution, drafted after the ultra-conservative Taliban government was forced from power four years ago, is based on Shariah law.

That factor makes it hard for liberals such as President Hamid Karzai to intervene in the Rahman case, though he is dependent on financial aid and military support from the West to fight off continuing threats from Taliban militants.

Western nations hint at pulling out troops

On Tuesday, politicians from Italy and German signalled they are unhappy that a man could be put to death merely for being a Christian.

Germany has about 2,700 soldiers stationed in Afghanistan. Italy has 1,775, compared to Canada's 2,200.

A former president of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, has proposed the country pull its troops out unless Rahman's life is spared.

"It is not acceptable that our soldiers should put themselves at risk or even sacrifice their lives for a fundamentalist, illiberal regime," Cossiga wrote in an open letter to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who faces a re-election battle next month.

Two German cabinet ministers have expressed similar concerns.

On Monday, U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack also addressed the Rahman case.

"Tolerance, freedom of worship, is an important element of any democracy," he said. "These are issues, as Afghan democracy matures, that they are going to have to deal with increasingly."


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Please edit the title of this thread to:

"Everyone facing death for not embracing Islam"

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So instead we should make their government go by OUR belief system?

Hmm.


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Athletic Supporter wrote:
So instead we should make their government go by OUR belief system?

Hmm.


why not? in our belief system you can choose whatever belfief you want. quite fair.

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Human Bass wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
So instead we should make their government go by OUR belief system?

Hmm.


why not? in our belief system you can choose whatever belfief you want. quite fair.


My belief system is that anyone not believing in Islam is an infadel and should be put to death. Fair?


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Athletic Supporter wrote:
So instead we should make their government go by OUR belief system?

Hmm.

Are you fucking kidding?

If our belief system is "you don't execute people for converting to another religion", then FUCK YES, WE SHOULD.



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punkdavid wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
So instead we should make their government go by OUR belief system?

Hmm.

Are you fucking kidding?

If our belief system is "you don't execute people for converting to another religion", then FUCK YES, WE SHOULD.



Remember, these are PEACEFUL FARMERS!!!!!


What should we do if they disagree?


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Athletic Supporter wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
So instead we should make their government go by OUR belief system?

Hmm.

Are you fucking kidding?

If our belief system is "you don't execute people for converting to another religion", then FUCK YES, WE SHOULD.



Remember, these are PEACEFUL FARMERS!!!!!


What should we do if they disagree?

Ask 'em how they like their running water and other amenities that we pay for.

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Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Even the pro-Islamofacist (aka pro-Palestinian) United Nations acknowledges this.

This is example of the real reason the war in Iraq will fail; they aren't culturally ready for democracy. They can't handle the separation of religion and government after centuries of religious oppression. It's not racist, it's reality.

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Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Even the pro-Islamofacist (aka pro-Palestinian) United Nations acknowledges this.

This is example of the real reason the war in Iraq will fail; they aren't culturally ready for democracy. They can't handle the separation of religion and government after centuries of religious oppression. It's not racist, it's reality.

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punkdavid wrote:
broken_iris wrote:
Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Even the pro-Islamofacist (aka pro-Palestinian) United Nations acknowledges this.

This is example of the real reason the war in Iraq will fail; they aren't culturally ready for democracy. They can't handle the separation of religion and government after centuries of religious oppression. It's not racist, it's reality.

peaceful farmers


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Athletic Supporter wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
broken_iris wrote:
Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Even the pro-Islamofacist (aka pro-Palestinian) United Nations acknowledges this.

This is example of the real reason the war in Iraq will fail; they aren't culturally ready for democracy. They can't handle the separation of religion and government after centuries of religious oppression. It's not racist, it's reality.

peaceful farmers


*opium farmers

*really peaceful farmers

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 Post subject: Re: Afghan facing death for rejecting Islam
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"We will invite him again [to renounce Christianity] because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance," trial judge Ansarullah Mawlazezadah told the BBC on Sunday. "We will ask him if he has changed his mind. If so, we will forgive him."


Quoted for irony's sake.

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Here's the deal - don't impose your beliefs on people, and we won't impose the above on you.

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Hallucination wrote:
Here's the deal - don't impose your beliefs on people, and we won't impose the above on you.


But if someone's belief system compells them to convert (or kill) you, aren't you forcing your belief system on them by rejecting the conversion?

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broken_iris wrote:
Hallucination wrote:
Here's the deal - don't impose your beliefs on people, and we won't impose the above on you.


But if someone's belief system compells them to convert (or kill) you, aren't you forcing your belief system on them by rejecting the conversion?


No because you are making the choice for you alone - you are not trying to force them to convert themselves away from Islam.

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Hallucination wrote:
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Here's the deal - don't impose your beliefs on people, and we won't impose the above on you.


But if someone's belief system compells them to convert (or kill) you, aren't you forcing your belief system on them by rejecting the conversion?


No because you are making the choice for you alone - you are not trying to force them to convert themselves away from Islam.


OK. But you are forcing your belief, that you not be forced to convert, onto them.

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Why are coalition nations supporting this barbaric government??? If we put cavemen in charge it would probably make a slight improvement.


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I didn't know crochet quilts could be converted to Islam!

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Spreadin' freedom throughout the Middle East!!!

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