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wonder why no one posted this one!!!! anyways I'm gonna start this one by saying that I didnt like that pearl jam reused a lot of their b-sides. I was looking to find some more rare stuff on this, stuff that we've never heard of. I did like the way they remixes a few of the songs like footsteps but was rather dissapointed with the lack of lyrics on brother. Whats up with that??? Does anyone know why the song was redone without lyrics. It was the only song that I was really looking forward to hearing :cry: Never-the-less it's a great album/compilation (whatever you want to call it) worth every penny.

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I jus wish I never heard Hold on. What a terrible song. :?


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apart from the 9 bad songs, the major flaw in Lost Dogs is the fact that some of the songs should have made the studio albums, and never become lost dogs.

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I jus wish I never heard Hold on. What a terrible song. :?


And yet, it's one of my favorites.

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I'll continue this thread, because I was also confused as to why they didn't do a thread for Lost Dogs.

I love Lost Dogs more than life, and it was perfect for someone who was just getting into Pearl Jam around the time Riot Act and Lost Dogs came out. I can understand that many may be disappointed with the tracklisting and the lack of rarer songs (I would have loved a mastered version of Angel to show up here), but it was everything I could have wanted.

Yes, some of the tracks are weak and some outright suck (Whale Song...ew) but it's an amazing collection that really shows their versatility and talent. These are the damn b-sides to their albums. The first disc is hit-or-miss, with strong points including Sad, Undone, Ledbetter (an old classic, but it's nice that it made it onto an album finally) and a few others, but the second disc is absolutely perfect.

The opening 4, Fatal, Other Side, Hard to Imagine and Footsteps, is the most perfect set of slow songs they have ever produced, and why they didn't make it onto an album is beyond me. Most everything else, including Drifting, Bee Girl, the oddly placed Dirty Frank and Brother, 4/20/02 and all the rest are also amazing. Side note: I can understand why Wash didn't make Ten, it's a little amateurish, but it's a very interesting look into pre-Ten Pearl Jam and Eddie's evolution as a songwriter.

Overall I'd say this is one of their best efforts and a must-have for any fan. It's strange how it all seems to fit, and the fairly steady quality shows that PJ has never really lost anything, every move they've made has been strictly calculated.


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I didnt do one for lost dogs because it's not an original studio album. I dont count a compiliation of songs from the back catalogue as such. Pearl Jam's 8th Studio album will be their upcoming album, not Lost Dogs.


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Angus wrote:
I jus wish I never heard Hold on. What a terrible song. :?


I totally agree. Ed's always been one for making catchy, unique choruses, but this one is not creative and just annoys me. "I know life would be different if I held on" = Crap.


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Angus wrote:
I jus wish I never heard Hold on. What a terrible song. :?


The main riff always reminded me of STP's Plush.

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apart from the 9 bad songs, the major flaw in Lost Dogs is the fact that some of the songs should have made the studio albums, and never become lost dogs.


You say that as if everyone agrees on what the 9 bad songs are. You want to fills us in?

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apart from the 9 bad songs, the major flaw in Lost Dogs is the fact that some of the songs should have made the studio albums, and never become lost dogs.


You say that as if everyone agrees on what the 9 bad songs are. You want to fills us in?


sorry, i meant the 9 bad songs in my humble opinion, or better, the 9 songs that i always skip. actually, i re-counted and there are 10...

disc 1
01. All Night
04. Hitchhiker
05. Don't Gimme No Lip
07. In The Moonlight
08. Education
09. Black Red Yellow
12. Gremmie Out Of Control
13. Whale Song

disc 2
11. Sweet Lew
12. Dirty Frank

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You don't like Education? to quote a very wooden actor "Woah!" :shock:


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You don't like Black, Red, Yellow? to quote a very wooden actor "Woah!" :shock:


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I don't know if anyone agrees, but PJ re-uses a lot of songs for their next album. There is so much Binaural outtake on Lost Dogs because it didn't make it onto Riot Act. HTI was written Vs era I believe, but didn't make it onto Vitaology and was lost until put on that Chicago Cab soundtrack. The songs this doesn't apply to are the ones used as b-sides, eg. Dirty Frank, Undone etc. As they're already released, they won't stick them on a new album. I reckon half of Riot Act is political songs and the other half is Binaural outtakes.

Light Years, Sad and fatal were made in 1994, but due to the overwhelming introduction of Jack Irons, No Code was completely new material. Those tracks were help back till Irons was out of the band.

Brain of J was written in 1995, but never made it onto No Code. It wasn't a b-side so they checked if it'd fit onto Yield, which it did.

I think, therefore, Don't Gimme No Lip and All Night were considered for Yield but didn't make the cut. Deadman and Black red and Yellow were already released, hence weren't.


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01. All Night
04. Hitchhiker
05. Don't Gimme No Lip
07. In The Moonlight
08. Education
09. Black Red Yellow
12. Gremmie Out Of Control
13. Whale Song

disc 2
11. Sweet Lew
12. Dirty Frank


I love all 9 of these songs! Whale Song and Education especially.

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my main gripe is that they put bsides on there. fans who would be interested in rarities would most likely already have the singles. i am sure there are tons of other songs that could have been put on there that no one heard previously, or only heard only leaked demos.


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OmegaprimeVKM wrote:
Light Years, Sad and fatal were made in 1994, but due to the overwhelming introduction of Jack Irons, No Code was completely new material. Those tracks were help back till Irons was out of the band.


that's news to me. Where did you hear that?


It's tough to criticize a b-side collection since it is not a collection of songs meant to cohere together. There are a few songs I don't like (you, whale song, gremmie, hitchiker in the moonlight) but by and large it's an impressive collection. My biggest complaint would be the amount of recycled material but they changed enough of it that I'm no longer bothered by that.

LD is the best b-sides record I ever heard. In a weird sort of way, I have fewer problems with it than any other record

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OmegaprimeVKM wrote:
I don't know if anyone agrees, but PJ re-uses a lot of songs for their next album. There is so much Binaural outtake on Lost Dogs because it didn't make it onto Riot Act. HTI was written Vs era I believe, but didn't make it onto Vitaology and was lost until put on that Chicago Cab soundtrack. The songs this doesn't apply to are the ones used as b-sides, eg. Dirty Frank, Undone etc. As they're already released, they won't stick them on a new album. I reckon half of Riot Act is political songs and the other half is Binaural outtakes.

Light Years, Sad and fatal were made in 1994, but due to the overwhelming introduction of Jack Irons, No Code was completely new material. Those tracks were help back till Irons was out of the band.

Brain of J was written in 1995, but never made it onto No Code. It wasn't a b-side so they checked if it'd fit onto Yield, which it did.

I think, therefore, Don't Gimme No Lip and All Night were considered for Yield but didn't make the cut. Deadman and Black red and Yellow were already released, hence weren't.


I would like to humbley submit, for the record, I believe you are WAY off base on all of these assessments to varying degrees.

Light Years, Sad and Fatal WERE absolutely not written in 1994.


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dea wrote:
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apart from the 9 bad songs, the major flaw in Lost Dogs is the fact that some of the songs should have made the studio albums, and never become lost dogs.


You say that as if everyone agrees on what the 9 bad songs are. You want to fills us in?


sorry, i meant the 9 bad songs in my humble opinion, or better, the 9 songs that i always skip. actually, i re-counted and there are 10...

disc 1
01. All Night
04. Hitchhiker
05. Don't Gimme No Lip
07. In The Moonlight
08. Education
09. Black Red Yellow
12. Gremmie Out Of Control
13. Whale Song

disc 2
11. Sweet Lew
12. Dirty Frank


those 9 are my favorites!
how can you note like all night, hitchhiker or education!!!!!!!!!!! those shits get me off! :D

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brother instrumental is better.

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The first thing that popped in my head when I saw the title of this thread is the very end of Yellow Ledbetter. The final note is held and then is abruptly cut off. That always bugs me.

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