Board index » Watched from the Window, with a Red Mosquito... » Pearl Jam




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 91 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

Which do you prefer?
Hail Hail 42%  42%  [ 64 ]
Parting Ways 52%  52%  [ 80 ]
Can't Decide 4%  4%  [ 7 ]
Total votes : 151
Author Message
 Post subject: The best.....song for a failing love
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Global Moderator
 Profile

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:02 am
Posts: 44183
Location: New York
Gender: Male
Hail Hail vs. Parting Ways


Hail Hail
Is there room enough for both of us?
Both of us apart?
Are we bound out of obligation?
Is that all we've got?
Get the words, and then I get to thinkin'
I don't wanna think, I wanna feel
How do I feel?
How do I?...

If you're the only one, will I never be enough?
Hail, hail the lucky ones, I refer to those in love

Swore I'd love you till the day I die, and beyond...
Are we going to the same place? If so, can I come?
It's egg rolling thick and heavy
All the past you carry
Oh, I could be new... you underestimate me

If you're the only one, will I never be enough?
Hail, hail the lucky ones, I refer to those in love

Sometimes realize, I could only be as good as you'll let me
Are you woman enough to be my man?
Bandaged hand in hand

I find it on the run in a race that can't be won
All hail the lucky ones, I refer to those in love, yeah
If you're my only one, so could you only one?
I want to be your one, enough...
Your one...your one...your one...

Parting Ways

Behind her eyes there's curtains...
And they've been closed to hide the flames,... remains...

She knows... their future's burning,
But she can smile just the same, same...

And though her mood is fine today
There's a fear they'll soon be parting ways


Standing, like a statue
A chin of stone, a heart of clay, hey...

And though he's too big a man to say
There's a fear they'll soon be parting ways

Drifiting away,... Drifting away,... Drifting away...
Drifiting away,... Drifting away,... Drifting away...


Previous The best....

1. existenstial album closer

_________________
"Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference."--FDR

The perfect gift for certain occasions


Last edited by stip on Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Global Moderator
 Profile

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:02 am
Posts: 44183
Location: New York
Gender: Male
This is a little tricky as the two songs are very different musically, but they both deal with the same theme of failing relationships. They aren’t breakup songs. There isn’t the misery of black or the regret of nothingman. In both cases the couple is still together, although the songs deals with the drift in different ways.

While musically I’ve never been that interested in Hail Hail there is an optimism and energy to it that fits the music real well. The guy in hail hail is determined to save this thing, which means he has to sit down and figure out what the hell went wrong and what can be done about it. And in the process Eddie produced some of his best lyrics ever, just one really sharp line after another—and it is rare to get some really probing, searching lyrics in a fast song like this. My favorites

“Are we bound out of obligation, is that all we got?”—a question EVERYONE asks when things go bad, even if they can’t phrase it quite that well

“If you're the only one, will I never be enough?”—I know I was asking myself this after my first real intense breakup—this person meant so much to me, and I couldn’t imagine at the time being with anyone else. If this relationship failed, am I just destined to be alone, since I can’t picture it ever being better.

“It's egg rolling thick and heavy, all the past you carry. Oh, I could be new... you underestimate me”—here we have the optimism and hope, possibly unfounded, that if we just try a little bit harder we can move past the problems we’re having and everything will be better. I can change. Just give me another chance…

“I sometimes realize, I could only be as good as you'll let me”---there are two ways to take this lyric, both of which are really good. The first is as a flash of independence amidst the frantic scramble to save the relationship—as long as I define myself in terms of this person there is a real way in which I limit myself and my own possibilities. But at the same time you can also take this as a realization that we can only really complete ourselves in love (certainly a theme that runs through the entire catalogue) and that what matters is finding (and holding onto) that person that really lets us be something amazing, which is why trying to save the relationship is worth doing


Parting Ways is a different animal. I like the music a lot more than hail hail, and the murky haze through which we hear the music just captures perfectly the sense of growing distance between the couple. The lyrics are all beautiful, although none are as insightful as the best moments of hail hail. Instead of really thinking about how relationships work and why they matter Parting Ways is a series of snapshots chronicling the beginning of the end. The indifference in this song is really quite sad. These are two people who really cared about each other once, and while they both fear the way things are ending, neither one seems willing to confront it and engage it in the same way that the guy in hail hail does. Instead there are drawn curtains and stillness, which ignore the problem and speed up the relationship’s decline. Hail Hail ends in a determined affirmation of love while parting ways sees us slowly drifting away.

In that way Parting Ways is more of a cautionary tale while hail hail is a call to arms. One has a sad, decaying beauty while the other is full of hope and optimism. Given the choice I’ll always take the optimism. My vote goes to hail hail, but it is close.

_________________
"Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference."--FDR

The perfect gift for certain occasions


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Team Binaural
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Wed May 24, 2006 5:23 pm
Posts: 12793
Location: Tours, FR
Gender: Male
Easy choice here for me, since I prefer the music and lyrics in Parting Ways.

_________________
There has never been a silence like this before


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Reissued
 Profile

Joined: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:53 pm
Posts: 21098
Location: where do you think?
i love the optimism of hail hail, but parting ways is so fucking sad that it gets my vote (plus musically i like it much better). both parties know the relationship is over, and they stay together anyway because neither wants to be alone. the saddest part of course is the "drifting away"... they were once close, and they know they're growing apart but don't want to deal with it. and that is just heart breaking. pair it with the chord progression and a little cello in the background and that part always gives me the chills. the finality of the crashing e minor at the end drives home the point that the relationship, along with the song, is over.

_________________
it's saturday night... i have no date, a 2 liter bottle of shasta, and my all-rush mix tape. let's rock.

Soma. wrote:
In summary, you can't go wrong with Muse live.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Stone's Bitch
 Profile

Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:18 pm
Posts: 5622
Location: hiding amongst the chimpanzees
I chose parting ways. I think the music fits that mood or feeling of being in a situation like that. it's introspective and quiet, kind of foreboding. Hail Hail sounds more like rage, or anger, which I've never felt in that situation.

Personally for me Parting Ways embodies the feeling of drifting away...

_________________
Twenty years for nothing, well that's nothing new,
besides, No one's interested in something you didn't do
Wheat kings and pretty things,
let's just see what the morning brings.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Force of Nature
 Profile

Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:10 am
Posts: 459
Location: milwaukee
i've always thought of parting ways as a song about a meaningful relationship that both know are over, whereas in hail hail it seems like the subject of the song wants the relationship to keep going but his partner does not. that has always been my interpretation so for me it's hard to compare the two in this way.

_________________
-under construction-


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Epitome of cool
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:47 am
Posts: 27904
Location: Philadelphia
Gender: Male
light_years62103 wrote:
i've always thought of parting ways as a song about a meaningful relationship that both know are over, whereas in hail hail it seems like the subject of the song wants the relationship to keep going but his partner does not. that has always been my interpretation so for me it's hard to compare the two in this way.


I have trouble with this comparison as well, but for different reasons. I've never interpreted Hail Hail as a song about a failing relationship. I've always heard it as a man who's questioning whether or not he should get married to the person in question; but I am known to interpret some songs differently than most, so I won't dismiss the failing relationship stance.

For me, Parting Ways is the quintessential PJ song about the subject. For anyone whose ever been in a dying relationship, you find a moment of clarity amidst the confusion: "we" will be over soon, and we both know it. That's the beauty of these lyrics - Ed writes from both perspectives, male and female. And the conclusion, simply "drifting away" repeated six times, reinforces how both feel.

_________________
It's always the fallen ones who think they're always gonna save me.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Johnny Guitar
 Profile

Joined: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:49 pm
Posts: 286
Location: Costa Rica
I'll go with Hail Hail, it just stuck with me in a break up situtation some time ago. I was so glad Eddie wrote that song. i'll never forget it.

_________________
I will hold the candle till it burns up my arm

WPB 06/11/08 - Tampa 06/12/08 - Columbia 06/16/08 - V. Beach 06/17/08


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Cameron's Stallion
 Profile

Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:29 am
Posts: 199
Location: US
Lyrically, Hail Hail is just a quality song. I love the theme, the chorus, the verses, everything. Musically, not so much. The guitar and drums and music and all is top-notch. However, Ed doesn't sing with that snarl the song needs to fit the music. He just keeps it a bit tepid and stops the entire song from reaching greatness. It's sad because this could have been a flagship rocker and given No Code a definite hit, but Ed feels like he phones most of this one in.

Parting Ways is a beautiful song and musically all the parts come together perfectly. The "drifting away" part at the end is gorgeous, especially live. However, lyrically it's very incomplete (did Stone write this? his songs tend to have that problem) and seems like a half-written song. It has some nice imagery and a great theme, but just seems fragmented.

Overall I'd give this to Hail, Hail, simply because of the quality lyrics and great music. Ed's voice keeps this from being up there with Corduroy or Alive, but it's still a great song.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Cameron's Stallion
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:53 am
Posts: 6704
Location: Tasmania, Australia
Gender: Male
parting ways

_________________
Harmless wrote:
'Isn't this weird? We're looking down on PJ's music, only.... that's not PJ's music. Isn't that weird?'

13/11/06 Melbourne, 20/11/09 Melbourne


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:32 pm
Posts: 6527
Location: NY. J
Gender: Male
Hail hail for sure . parting ways is great But hail hail just kicks ASS

_________________
Take care of all your memories .For you cannot relive them.
"Bob Dylan"


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Stone's Bitch
 Profile

Joined: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:11 pm
Posts: 227
Location: Indiana
I like both songs. Hail Hail seems desperate to me, like he really doesn't want to lose this love and he's trying hard. Parting Ways is sad, coming to the realization that it might end. However, my choice was Hail Hail. Because it rocks.

_________________
The more I see the less I know for sure. - John Lennon


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Stone's Bitch
 Profile

Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:33 am
Posts: 35357
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Gender: Male
Parting Ways, no question here.

_________________
Winner, RM all-time NBA tourney. :D

Winner, 2008 US Pearl Jam fantasy league. :D

Everton FC: 3-1-5
Anaheim Webbed D's: 5-6-2
USC Football: 7-2
Denver Broncos: 3-5


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Stone's Bitch
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:25 am
Posts: 17123
Location: Maspeth, NY
Gender: Male
stip wrote:
My vote goes to Hail Hail, but it is close.

Agreed.

_________________
Gotta say it now.... better loud than too late.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Needs to start paying for bandwidth
 Profile

Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:20 am
Posts: 31173
Parting Ways hands down.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:48 pm 
Offline
Johnny Guitar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:56 pm
Posts: 230
Location: Orange County, California
The lyrics to Parting Ways kick the shit out of Hail, Hail.

_________________
See this spot on my arm? That's where I want you to bite me.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Stone's Bitch
 Profile

Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:38 am
Posts: 999
Location: Argentina
Parting ways. Probably my favourite pj song lyrically.

_________________
I'm in hiding


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Former PJ Drummer
 Profile

Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:00 pm
Posts: 19826
Location: Alone in a corridor
Hail Hail is good, good lyrics, good song, fucking kicks ass, fantastic song. But still not even close to Parting Ways.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:51 am 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:54 am
Posts: 2863
Location: Colorado
Parting Ways easily.

I don't even consider Hail, Hail to be about failing love.

_________________
Jerry Seinfeld wrote:
I had a dream last night that a hamburger was eating ME!


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:52 am 
Offline
User avatar
Global Moderator
 Profile

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:02 am
Posts: 44183
Location: New York
Gender: Male
Scrub12 wrote:
Parting Ways easily.

I don't even consider Hail, Hail to be about failing love.


what do you think it is about then?

_________________
"Better the occasional faults of a Government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a Government frozen in the ice of its own indifference."--FDR

The perfect gift for certain occasions


Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 91 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

Board index » Watched from the Window, with a Red Mosquito... » Pearl Jam


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
It is currently Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:53 am